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Responses to A. C. Evans' Essay, 'Voices in Denial: Poetry and Post-Culture'.

 

 

 

Marjorie Perloff

 

A. C. Evans is quite right to complain about the purported denial of “voice” in contemporary poetry, but the issue is not, I think, the refusal to engage with popular culture.  First, in the best “language” or other experimental poetries, of course there IS voice, despite all the claims to the contrary.  A Tom Raworth poem is easily distinguishable from one by J. H. Prynne, and so on. I¹ve written about this in my essay on language poetry for Critical Inquiry, reprinted in DIFFERENTIALS.  But secondly -- and more important -- why should poetry, or any art, just cave in to pop culture?  I realize it has happened in the visual arts, and look at the results.  Not exactly works of genius.  The key example here -- and one that Evans does mention, not in this article but in his interview with Jeffrey Side, is that of Beckett.  Beckett never compromised with anyone or anything, and yet, although his writing is very “difficult”, it is also enormously popular and today read and studied around the world. That¹s because Beckett has a unique vision of life and unique language usages.  Now, for Evans, Beckett is a “prose writer” and hence not quite part of the present conversation, but I maintain that Beckett, who began as a poet, even though not a satisfactory one, remains first and foremost a poet, in that it is the density of language -- its sound, multiplex nature, visual aura, and so on -- that is foregrounded.

  

It¹s not a matter, in other words, of using this mode or that one, being part of this school or that one, but having individual genius. There are plenty of very fine poets today -- perhaps just not in England at the moment or in the U.S. But in less likely places.

 

Still, Evans is on to something important which is the utter nullity of much that currently passes for poetry. I have a different diagnosis, though. I think, at least here in the U.S., the real fault is not the refusal to engage pop culture but the unliterariness of “poetry” so-called.  Most of our poets NEVER READ ANY POETRY or other literary work. It¹s so absurd. They want to be “poets” but heaven forbid they should read any when they can be reading theory or political tracts or whatever.  Contrary to Evans, I believe it's the wanting to be “with it” that is destroying the poetry scene. If you want to be a poet, you have to have some sense of the poetic tradition.  Look at the de Campos brothers in Brazil, Augusto and Haroldo, those marvelous poets who have also translated everyone from Dante to Rimbaud to the writings of Boulez and Cage. But Evans's historical analysis (1968 etc.) is very useful.



Jake Berry

 

My initial take on Evans' essay is that I agree with some of it, disagree with some of it and don't care for polemics, so his argumentative position doesn't persuade me one way or another. I am persuaded by what he says, not how he says it. That is, I prefer an "authorial" voice to an "authorial" scream. 

 

I would agree, and so would Dana Gioia, that poetry took a wrong turn by retreating into the academy. In an interview late in his life Pound was asked what he thought about poets working in the academy. He said they had to get their rent somehow. If all they were doing was getting the rent by teaching the poetry they loved then there would be no problem. However, in this country, and I assume in the U.K. as well, the academy became the only legitimate position for a poet. This is Gioia's complaint in his essay, "Can Poetry Matter?"

 

As long as the Beats and those that followed their lead were influential then poetry remained, at least in part, the domain of "Whitman's wild children." I think that influence is still with us, here as well as in Europe. Michael McClure sent me, a couple of years ago, an issue of a Beat poetry magazine devoted to him. The magazine had enough money behind it to support being filled with photos, many in color, and some decent essays and interviews, as well as poetry. That movement manifests in the U.S. in things like the annual Burning Man festival, regular Beat retrospectives at major museums and institutions and the slam poetry movement of the last 15 years or so. Poetry with a strong authorial voice is still alive and well. Most people who participate in any of these events couldn't care less about the academy since they are romantics. They may feel like outsiders, but they are not nearly so far outside as Ginsberg was when he wrote "Howl". Even in a small town like Florence, Alabama, one is likely to see various manifestations of the romantic persona, and they have various hangouts, including a coffee shop.

 

Olson has been co-opted by various factions, each claiming the genuine article. Olson was one of the first, if not the first, to use the term post-modern. It is my feeling though that he used the term as a means of distinguishing what he was doing from the work of modernists like Pound. Olson befriended Pound for as long as he could stand him and as The Maximus Poems will attest his worked continued to develop what Pound had done in the Cantos. Olson's "Projective Verse" essay has been appropriated to mean whatever the movement that used it wanted it to mean, but he clearly remains attached to the body of the author. After all, he makes the syllable, as a unit of breath and sound, the basis for his poetics. Although his work is often abstract and draws on many voices there is definitely an Olson sound, or rather a congregation of voices that he drew from. He used his own ancestry, his personal voice in letters, voices of others taken from various sources. Perhaps it is fair to say that he did not hold to a singular authorial voice. He did not make his voice primary or exclusive in his poetry, but it is there, and has many shades and variations depending on his intentions. 

 

The move away from the primacy of the ego, or a singular sound in one's poetry, seems to me to make perfect sense. It isn't a feature of postmodernism though, it's a feature of modernism. In a culture that was predominantly agricultural (by which I mean that most people lived outside cities in either small towns or on farms) a singular idea of the self is easier to maintain, as is a linear narrative idea of time. One day follows the next, one season, etc. By the middle of the 20th century as we became an urban society that singular idea of self became more difficult to maintain. The ego was not eliminated by the relocation though, it was fragmented. There was a persona one used when working in the factory, one at home with the family, another when alone with one's wife or husband. This is a gross oversimplification, but it makes the point. The reality is even more complex because the traditional family begins to break down in an modern urban environment. Roles change constantly. There is some tragedy in the attempt to maintain a singular persona in the face of this state of perpetual change. It's a holdover from the rural past that no longer works very well. Just as one has to be on one's toes when walking around in a city in order to adapt to frequently changing circumstances, street to street and moment to moment, so in a rural setting one could reside in one's self going through the day in an environment that demanded not change, but stability and perpetuity. Still, to assert that the ego has been eliminated from creative work may make for an interesting thesis, but it doesn't hold with reality. Instead, we all carry a number of egos, or variations of ego that we use depending on the circumstances.

 

Postmodernism as elaborated in the academies is a selective reading of the authorities it quotes. Derrida usually gets credited with being the father of postmodern philosophy, but he rejected the term himself. He saw his work as a continuation of his mentors, Levinas, Heidegger, etc. Postmodernism as it is currently propagated, whether in the academy or as pop culture is foolishness. Heidegger may have posed the question of the end of philosophy, but he answered it with philosophical questioning.

 

I suppose every generation, every decade, wants to think it stands at the crux of time, at a vital moment in the culture's history, or even the world's history. This is a very egotistical position to take. Yet it happens with every generation, especially in a culture where sensation is the essential currency. 

 

Is there still a high and low culture? Certainly there are some in the academy that would say that there is, and in other factions as well. One might ask, is a song by a vapid pop singer as important as a poem by a prominent poet. Again, fragmentation is the issue. The pop singer's audience shares an almost religious devotion to the singer and the poet's audience holds the poet is such high esteem as to grant him or her the heights of Olympus (albeit in contemporary terms).  Both audiences are hyperbolic in their fascination, yet there is nothing wrong with respecting a person for a job well done, regardless of what that job may be. 

 

The ego as a human phenomenon is thriving, but it is different from what it would have been 200 years ago, just as the world it inhabits is different. I do believe that it is possible to create work that is not purely of the individual's ideas, work that surprises the individual, which the individual cannot recognize as the product of personal intention. Still, even using chance methodology, we can often discern the maker, or rather the means of the maker, of the work. As Duchamp said, "My chance will be different from your chance." This does not mean that the work is the result of the ego. It does mean that we cannot escape the reality that we are organic creatures and that there will be an organic aspect to everything we do. The shift is personal before it is paradigmatic. Further, the kind of shift we are talking about, away from singular self toward multiple or no self, is not a product of postmodern genius, but  of a change in perception that is at least as old as Buddhism. And Buddhism may have been a re-emergence of something ancient even to Gautama. Perhaps it is a mode of being that has its origins in pre-agricultural society. It is impossible to say for sure, but we can be certain that just as urban culture requires an adaptation from rural culture so rural culture required an adaptation from hunter-gatherer culture - and the art, science, and religion of each culture adapts as well, even as it shapes and defines that culture. 

It is important, at least for me, not to place too much emphasis on terms like 'avant-garde', 'experimental', 'traditional', or 'formalist'. The question I ask when reading or hearing a poem or song, or viewing a painting or piece of sculpture, etc, is not how to categorize it, but do I enjoy it? Do I learn from it? Am I inspired by it? I have answered yes to these questions to poems by both Robert Frost and Charles Olson, as well as paintings by Edward Hopper and Jackson Pollock.

 

These are the etymologies I find for 'author' and 'authority.' They come from the Online Etymology Dictionary, but the Random House, Webster's, and Oxford American are more or less the same. The interesting thing beyond the etymologies was the inclusion at OED of the quote from Kafka. It may say more about the idea of the author and writing than the etymology.

 

I believe that the modernism does throw into doubt what it means to be an author, just as it throws the idea of a singular ego in doubt. That doesn't invalidate the authorial voice it just changes its context and fragments it into many possibilities. Incidentally, here are some definitions of the words "author" and "authority" I found:

 

author c.1300, autor "father," from O.Fr. auctor, from L. auctorem (nom. auctor) "enlarger, founder," lit. "one who causes to grow," agent noun from augere "to increase" (see augment). Meaning "one who sets forth written statements" is from c.1380. The -t- changed to -th- on mistaken assumption of Gk. origin. The verb is attested from 1596. "... [W]riting means revealing oneself to excess .... This is why one can never be alone enough when one writes, why even night is not night enough. ... I have often thought that the best mode of life for me would be to sit in the innermost room of a spacious locked cellar with my writing things and a lamp. Food would be brought and always put down far away from my room, outside the cellar's outermost door. The walk to my food, in my dressing gown, through the vaulted cellars, would be my only exercise. I would then return to my table, eat slowly and with deliberation, then start writing again at once. And how I would write! From what depths I would drag it up!" [Franz Kafka]

 

authority c.1230, autorite "book or quotation that settles an argument," from O.Fr. auctorité, from L. auctoritatem (nom. auctoritas) "invention, advice, opinion, influence, command," from auctor "author" (see author). Meaning "power to enforce obedience" is from 1393; meaning "people in authority" is from 1611. Authoritative first recorded 1609. Authoritarian is recorded from 1879.

 

 

John M. Bennett

 

It seems to me this article really has nothing new to say, and that its main "point" misses the point, so to speak.  Of course authors have a voice; the "denial of authorial voice" is simply a slightly dramatic way of describing a particular style or, better, attitude; one that is not new in literary history, in fact. I see no "polemic" here at all.



Jack Foley

 

This polemical stance—doesn’t lead anywhere.

 

The main problem with the essay is that Evans is so hung up on his binary opposition (ego vs. non ego) that the concept of voices (as opposed to "the voice") never even occurs to him—and this despite the fact that much of the energy of the 20th/21st century has been devoted to finding forms expressive of "voices." The Waste Land and The Cantos are not poems about non ego but poems about many voices—about, to use Pound’s term, "personae." The "self" of these poems is understood to be something like a radio receiver bringing in many stations simultaneously. Pound: "Confusion of voices as from several transmitters, broken phrases, / And many birds singing…." But to say, as these poems do, that there is no central ego is not to deny that ego exists. (Someone said to me recently, "For a man without an ego, you certainly have a lot of opinions." I answered, "I have multiple egos, and they all talk.")

 

On the other hand, there is considerable documentation to the experience of ego loss—not only in mystics but in athletes, whose experience of intense physical activity sometimes brings them to a sense of the disappearance of the ego. There’s no reason why such experience can’t be represented in literature. As for Olson, all you have to do is to read "The Kingfishers" to discover that the tension between ego and non-ego is at the very center of his poetry. There is an "I" at the beginning of the poem, but it is uncertain, non-assertive. There is also an I at the conclusion of the poem, but it is an extremely assertive, authoritative I—one which keeps insisting on the repetition of that pronoun. In the rest of the poem, there are many things—quotations, images, speculations, etc.—but there is no I: the pronoun doesn’t appear. The authority of the I at the conclusion comes from the fact of its having witnessed its own dissolution.

 

Of course, Evans doesn't actually quote any passages: he just keeps making assertions.

 

 

Ira Lightman

 

I can think of poetry in films, Auden's poetry in Four Weddings and a Funeral, or e.e. cummings in Hannah and Her Sisters. This is poetry from a previous period that mass popular culture has caught up with, so that it's ready for it to appear. I can perfectly imagine any of the poets Evans mentions being quoted in films, but not for some time. It takes a while for unacknowledged legislators to matter more than they did at the time. Am I supposed to feel morally upbraided because I can remember lines from poems from several of the poets disparaged here? I go to church for that.

 

Termed blue is perfectly blue. The bee … evades the half-light. Brag, sweet tenor bull. I can see things in these lines. In song lyrics, I can always see the singer looking at them. In songs, words follow an emotional logic, as they do in playwriting. Songwriters usually reach for description and write either a good screenplay - you can see it in a film - or badly. They don't linger like a painter. And all the painters who have made it into mass popular culture still do make you linger.

 

There's surely a gridlock of I in the world, and rage of the sort in this essay behind it. Where does Evans show he has any time for any of these poets? Who do you love, as Eric Clapton once said, Is it me, is it him, babe, I don't know. Is Evans saying that postmodern poets fear to face an audience? Look at Ron Mann's film Poetry in Motion. It shows people using non-I language tactics, but being very much on the spot in performance.

 

I see the younger and older generation of American postmodernists wrestling with a LOVE for (not an obedience to) postmodern poetry (which after all had the label thrust upon it). And then a desire to go out far and wide. Sure, people play safe. But that effort makes my pulse race, makes the writer's pulse and the audience's pulse race. Surely that is the world of personal risk in poetry.